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mmccannon Large Bristlenose


Number of posts: 345 Age: 42 Location: Hungary Thank You Points: 16 Registration date: 2011-05-16
 | Subject: L201 & L134 Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:20 am | |
| Hello to all,
I wonder whether is there a possibility that L201 and L134 are kept in the same aquarium. I want to avoid cross-breeds, but do not know if the above mentioned darlings could or couldn't.
Best regards, Mary
P. S.: Thanks to this Website and the books (Doug's and that of Kathy Jinkings) I got soooo much deeper into bristleworld! |
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kfenk Moderator


Number of posts: 1243 Age: 27 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Thank You Points: 65 Registration date: 2009-11-09
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:28 am | |
| I'm pretty sure they can't cross breed so mite be alright. Be warey tho as iv heard males from either can be very territorial |
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mmccannon Large Bristlenose


Number of posts: 345 Age: 42 Location: Hungary Thank You Points: 16 Registration date: 2011-05-16
 | Subject: L201 & L134 Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:07 am | |
| Hi Kfenk,
How big aquarium would you recommend?
I have ordered 1M/2F L134 and 1M/1F L201. There are two choices: 100 or 400 litre.
Or, if I wish to keep them separately, would two 83 litre tanks do?
Best regards, Mary |
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kfenk Moderator


Number of posts: 1243 Age: 27 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Thank You Points: 65 Registration date: 2009-11-09
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:01 pm | |
| id go with the 2 tanks rather than the one tank for breeding only. but if you went with the 400L tank you could have lots more fish with them like tetras or livebearers  |
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jim.and Moderator


Number of posts: 1423 Age: 55 Location: England Job/hobbies: Warehouse Op Thank You Points: 105 Registration date: 2010-08-04
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:27 pm | |
| As far as I know Hypancistrus and Peckoltia can not cross breed.
I agree with kfenk if it is a breeding project then seperate tanks would be better, if you got them for their stunning looks, with the off chance they will breed, then I would go with the 400 litre. Plenty of hiding places should stop any serious aggression. |
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mmccannon Large Bristlenose


Number of posts: 345 Age: 42 Location: Hungary Thank You Points: 16 Registration date: 2011-05-16
 | Subject: L201 & L134 Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:25 pm | |
| Dear Kfenk and Jim,
Thanks a lot for your reply. I will follow your advice, and will put them into separate tanks.
Actually, I want to try my hands on breeding them.
Best regards, Mary |
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jim.and Moderator


Number of posts: 1423 Age: 55 Location: England Job/hobbies: Warehouse Op Thank You Points: 105 Registration date: 2010-08-04
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:38 pm | |
| | mmccannon wrote: | Dear Kfenk and Jim,
Actually, I want to try my hands on breeding them.
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I hope you have good luck with the breeding |
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Doug Moderator


Number of posts: 2281 Age: 26 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Job/hobbies: Aquatic ecologist/genetisist Humor: yes please :) Thank You Points: 132 Registration date: 2010-05-08
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:07 am | |
| i used to keep L201 and L333 in the same tank.
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mmccannon Large Bristlenose


Number of posts: 345 Age: 42 Location: Hungary Thank You Points: 16 Registration date: 2011-05-16
 | Subject: "housing" L201 and L134 Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:09 am | |
| Hello Doug,
Thank you for your response. I will place them in separate tanks.
By the way, have read your ebook, but could not find one disease. In Hungary that is referred to as "Green Belly". Occures around 2-4 months of age, and mortality rate is almost 100 %.
I was trying to find more information - literature, scientific article - about this disease, but in vain. I wonder whether you have any experience with the above mentioned illness.
Best regards, Mary |
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Doug Moderator


Number of posts: 2281 Age: 26 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Job/hobbies: Aquatic ecologist/genetisist Humor: yes please :) Thank You Points: 132 Registration date: 2010-05-08
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:08 am | |
| what are the symptoms? _________________ Doug's Bristlenose eBook - The number one source of Bristlenose information and the most detailed breeding guide avaliable 3rd edition OUT NOW!!! LOADS OF ADDITION INFORMATION, PICS, DIAGRAMS AND BRISTLENOSE GOODNESS
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mmccannon Large Bristlenose


Number of posts: 345 Age: 42 Location: Hungary Thank You Points: 16 Registration date: 2011-05-16
 | Subject: Green belly Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:21 am | |
| Symptom is literally green belly - as if discoloured - and within 48 hours the fish is dead. No other visible symptom and no significant change in behaviour. One can only detect, once the fish is on the side-glass of the tank.
It occured in case of A. temminckii, L-144, LDA-05, L-65. Other mates reported the same from Czech and Germany. Unfortunately, I did not make a photo of the fish at that time.
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Doug Moderator


Number of posts: 2281 Age: 26 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Job/hobbies: Aquatic ecologist/genetisist Humor: yes please :) Thank You Points: 132 Registration date: 2010-05-08
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:39 am | |
| hrmm, never come acorss that one before. I would be interested to know more about it. _________________ Doug's Bristlenose eBook - The number one source of Bristlenose information and the most detailed breeding guide avaliable 3rd edition OUT NOW!!! LOADS OF ADDITION INFORMATION, PICS, DIAGRAMS AND BRISTLENOSE GOODNESS
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mmccannon Large Bristlenose


Number of posts: 345 Age: 42 Location: Hungary Thank You Points: 16 Registration date: 2011-05-16
 | Subject: Symptoms Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:25 pm | |
| Hi Doug,
Forgot to mention, that when deceased bn's belly is opened, thick green juice pours out. As if all intestinals rotted away. Stench is not like rotting flesh.
A year ago I have made a survey, and found that many aquarist prepare their own frozen BN-mix. Springtime they often add tender stinging-nettle and/or spurge leaf. Is it possible that any of those are related to the illness?
Have you heard of such thing in other parts of the world?
Best regards, Mary |
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Doug Moderator


Number of posts: 2281 Age: 26 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Job/hobbies: Aquatic ecologist/genetisist Humor: yes please :) Thank You Points: 132 Registration date: 2010-05-08
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:18 pm | |
| hrmmm, that is odd. I have never heard of something like this before. I have done several post mortums on bristlenose but never had a result like that. To be honest i would be avoiding nettle like the plague. It is known to be toxic to lots of animals and very hard to process.
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jim.and Moderator


Number of posts: 1423 Age: 55 Location: England Job/hobbies: Warehouse Op Thank You Points: 105 Registration date: 2010-08-04
 | Subject: Re: L201 & L134 Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| Spurge leaves do not sound like a good idea either.
From Wikipedia
The common name "spurge" derives from the Middle English/Old French espurge ("to purge"), due to the use of the plant's sap as a purgative.
From THE POISON GARDEN website Folklore and Facts Is said to kill fish without making the flesh inedible to humans. Throw any spurge into water and harvest the poisoned fish. It has been known to self seed in gardens and, in one case, it grew close to a pond resulting in the death of all the fish.
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